Mach does realignment again! (MLB, not MSL)

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Mach

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get the mets out of the yankees division. theyre allowed to play 6 games a year against each other... another 4 if they play in the world series. thats it.
I love the subtle dig at the Mets.

I don't think you'll get your wish though.

I do agree with you on liking 4 total divisions though. It's probably best in every sport except the NFL. There it looks like someone on acid tried a jigsaw puzzle.
 

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I am not sure what is going on but here is my suggestion. The commissioner should rule with an iron fist, not a cheesecloth fist. Just do whatever and make us sheep follow


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I am not sure what is going on but here is my suggestion. The commissioner should rule with an iron fist, not a cheesecloth fist. Just do whatever and make us sheep follow


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I'm confused. This is for real life MLB. I just put it here because I don't know how many venture out to the rest of the site.
 

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Let's say we wanted to keep the same leagues, but prepare for expansion?

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The AL West would take the Portland (or Vegas, or whatever) franchise fairly easily. The AL South comes together easily as well with natural fits. If Tampa moves to Montreal, you flip them and Baltimore.

The California teams make up the new NL West with Arizona. Colorado in no-man's land joins the central time zone teams. Cincy in the South is a little odd, though they basically are the southernmost team. The empty spot is your VA/NC team. The Pirates are finally home again.

Not a huge fan of this overall though as I don't like the overlapping of timezones in the AL North and AL South. Baltimore looks really out of place if the Rays move. And I'm not a big fan of forcing a new world (expansion) into an old idea (AL/NL)

So what about forgetting AL/NL which is likely to happen anyway?
So this one is tricky when you factor everything (moves and expansion)
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You almost defacto have to split the West N/S, and they line up fairly well. Everything in the west lines up pretty darn well. The Rockies are in a pretty decent spot as well.

You have to get a little creative in the East. It works okay with Tampa, but if they move, you have a huge shuffle. Baltimore and Washington in a division with Toronto and Montreal is an odd fit and splitting the two Canadian teams in that case would seem odd. You could move Montreal to the Atlantic, Philly to the Northeast, Toronto to the North, but it just doesn't quite fit.

Obviously you lose the Giants/Dodgers rivalry which I think is basically a non-starter (along with CHC/STL and NYY/BOS). It all kind of looks disjointed honestly. But not all is lost. What if we combine everything so far?
So I was directed to Manfred saying he preferred the NFL setup to the NHL setup, and decided to give a further look at the 8 division format, with a bit of creativity (think NFL - Dallas being in the East)

That gets you this:
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The SF/LAD issue is fixed. You can easily swap between the Central and the North as one sees fit. The issue sort of pops with the rest though. Sure, they all work and align well, but it's pretty common knowledge that if the Rays don't move to Montreal, that's our next expansion. So having a TB/NC pairing with no Expos is very unlikely.

That leaves you with this:
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Starting to look more familiar...

The Mets need to go because that's how you'll fit TOR/MTL, and it just so happens they get a soft landing with the Phillies, Pirates, and Nationals. Now you get a funky looking makeshift South though with Atlanta, Miami, and Tampa or VA/NC along with...Baltimore. But, that seems to make most happy. And if you want to just go even more chalk:

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You could basically do an AL/NL with this now (Baltimore and Colorado switch leagues, Portland to AL, NC/VA to NL). Since it's still geographically aligned, if you were going that route, Cincy, an Eastern time zone team, would have to be switched with the White Sox, a central team (I don't think they'd move Minnesota, especially since they seem to want them East anyway).

So, it's very NFL logic aligned, but it's livable, I guess.
 

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My realignment is similar to your last chalk, except I'm keeping the Braves, Mets, and Phillies traditional rivalries intact. And I think MLB want cross city rivalries only to occur in Interleague play.

NL West:
Arizona
Los Angeles
San Diego
San Francisco

NL Central:
Chicago Cubs
Cincinnati
Milwaukee
St. Louis

NL East:
Atlanta
NY Mets
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh

NL South:
Baltimore
Miami
Washington
Tampa Bay (if they stay, or else East Expansion Team)

AL West:
Anaheim
Oakland
Seattle
West Expansion Team

AL Midwest:
Colorado
Houston
Kansas City
Texas

AL Central:
Chicago White Sox
Cleveland
Detroit
Minnesota

AL East:
Boston
NY Yankees
Toronto
Montreal
 

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Or keep Baltimore in the AL East, and do this and call it a day:

AL East:
Boston
NY Yankees
Baltimore
Tampa Bay

NL Expendables:
Miami
Montreal
Toronto
Washington
 

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I don't think they're sticking with an AL/NL format. They've been looking for reasons/opportunities to move to a regional one to save owners money and fuck me running if this pandemic won't be it.
 

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And I think MLB want cross city rivalries only to occur in Interleague play.
Is this a personal thought or something reported somewhere? If it's the latter, I'd definitely have to incorporate that into my method.
 

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My realignment is similar to your last chalk, except I'm keeping the Braves, Mets, and Phillies traditional rivalries intact. And I think MLB want cross city rivalries only to occur in Interleague play.

NL West:
Arizona
Los Angeles
San Diego
San Francisco

NL Central:
Chicago Cubs
Cincinnati
Milwaukee
St. Louis

NL East:
Atlanta
NY Mets
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh

NL South:
Baltimore
Miami
Washington
Tampa Bay (if they stay, or else East Expansion Team)

AL West:
Anaheim
Oakland
Seattle
West Expansion Team

AL Midwest:
Colorado
Houston
Kansas City
Texas

AL Central:
Chicago White Sox
Cleveland
Detroit
Minnesota

AL East:
Boston
NY Yankees
Toronto
Montreal
I took some of what you said, and threw this together:
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Braves, Mets, Phillies are together now. I honestly don't know whether those are more important to Atlanta or the Marlins and having geographical rivals are since they've stated the latter a few times. But I like how this looks and it's reasonable.
Orioles and Nationals pair with Marlins and Rays
The White Sox head to the North, swapping with the Twins. We're likely to be at continued odds, so to speak, on that grouping because in a West/East alignment, Cincy can't be with their old gang. I also don't know how intense the White Sox-Twins rivalry is. I hear it is, but, hell if it ever seems as such. @BearsDreamer you're a White Sox fan, what's your take there?
 

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Is this a personal thought or something reported somewhere? If it's the latter, I'd definitely have to incorporate that into my method.
It's a personal thought, but the NFL separates the cross city teams by conference, too.
 

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It's a personal thought, but the NFL separates the cross city teams by conference, too.
The NFL is so tricky though. You have so many lasting heated rivalries - like the AFC West and the NFC North that I'm not sure you could really do it by geography (I think a few of us tried once and it wasn't really appealing). Add in the fact they play once a week and 16 games, I'm not sure there's been enough incentive to change.
 

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It's a personal thought, but the NFL separates the cross city teams by conference, too.
The NFL one is pretty awful, and I even fudged Lions/Colts a bit who should be switched:


WestMountainSouthMidwestNorthSoutheastAtlanticNortheast
San Francisco 49ersArizona CardinalsDallas CowboysChicago BearsCleveland BrownsAtlanta FalconsBaltimore RavensBuffalo Bills
Seattle SeahawksDenver BroncosHouston TexansDetroit LionsCincinnati BengalsJacksonville JaguarsCarolina PanthersNew England Patriots
Los Angeles ChargersKansas City ChiefsNew Orleans SaintsGreen Bay PackersIndianapolis ColtsMiami DolphinsPhiladelphia EaglesNew York Giants
Los Angeles RamsLas Vegas RaidersTennessee TitansMinnesota VikingsPittsburgh SteelersTampa Bay BuccaneersWashington RedskinsNew York Jets
 

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harumph... baltimore, boston, yankees and toronto stay together you heathen. get the mets on the other side with the phillies, nationals and braves.
 

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harumph... baltimore, boston, yankees and toronto stay together you heathen. get the mets on the other side with the phillies, nationals and braves.
I'm not sure there's any long term way the 4 stay together. In a 32 team 4 team division, that almost certainly includes Montreal who are likely paired with Toronto. It could be easily done in a 32 team 8 team divsion, but then the Mets are there too.
 

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I took some of what you said, and threw this together:
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Braves, Mets, Phillies are together now. I honestly don't know whether those are more important to Atlanta or the Marlins and having geographical rivals are since they've stated the latter a few times. But I like how this looks and it's reasonable.
Orioles and Nationals pair with Marlins and Rays
The White Sox head to the North, swapping with the Twins. We're likely to be at continued odds, so to speak, on that grouping because in a West/East alignment, Cincy can't be with their old gang. I also don't know how intense the White Sox-Twins rivalry is. I hear it is, but, hell if it ever seems as such. @BearsDreamer you're a White Sox fan, what's your take there?
In this scenario I like it. I prefer the regional approach. The Twins-Sox rivalry is a thing, but mainly because it is super fun to go to Minneapolis for super cheap partying. Would be disappointing but we get to keep playing against Detroit.


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